MINUTES of GENERAL MEETING Sunday, 11th of November, 2018

PRESENT: Erin Bunting, Jane Bunting, Paul Tuckerman, Murray Jones, Martin Gorrick, Annette Jones, Susannah Cavill, Ted Owen, Ken Clunas, Ping Yu, Chao Deng, Trish Donaldson, Luke Borg, John Dalla Pozza, George Boyatzis, Catherine Boyatzis.

APOLOGIES: John Mebberson, Barbara Mebberson, Catherine Philps, Gail Chapman, Kelly Carey, Lynne Parker, Ray Smith, Kay Smith, Bradon Ellem, Peter Spencer

Meeting opened at 4.05 pm. Minutes of the previous General Meeting of 16th of September, 2018 had been distributed by email and were accepted as read.


The Secretary stated that all correspondence related to items of business on notice, and as such he would report on the correspondence as each item was discussed.

As the Treasurer is away, his report was deferred ‘til the next meeting.


As there were several new attendees, the President summarised process. There are three issues about which to be spoken, and explained that the format is informal, committee style, with the aim to give as many people as possible the opportunity to speak and time for all issues to be covered before the latest finish of 5.30pm. Anyone may call for a motion on which to be voted. The Secretary will take down and read out the motion.

The Secretary reported that Anglicare already has approval to build on the site. This approval was granted by the NSW Department of Planning (NSWDOP) along with other developments for that area in 2006. Anglicare now wish to amend the details of that proposal to reduce the size of its developments for the aged and add 55 dual occupancy lots (this should equate to approximately 110 townhouses).

Depending on refusal or acceptance of these amendments, Anglicare would proceed with the original or amended proposal. It would then be up to the WCC to manage the Development Application (DA) approval process.

2006 Proposal Estimates:- 120 bed, aged care facility 250 retiree apartments Total

- 120 people - 500 people - 620 people

2018 Amended Proposal Estimates:-

80 bed, aged care facility 140 retiree apartments 110 Townhouses [Av 3] Total

- 80 people
- 280 people - 330 people

- 690 people

A difference of an extra 70 people represents an estimated 10% increase in the number of people living on the site.

The Secretary reported on a meeting held with Luke Borg and Ross Dearden, Secretary of Northern Illawarra Residents Action Group (NIRAG), on Friday 9th of November. The notes from that meeting are attached as Annexure A. The key points from that meeting are:

  1. Traffic control improvements to Point Street, including footpaths and traffic calming devices, promised and paid for by Stocklands have not, as yet, been delivered by WCC. However, the first step, the local area traffic management plan (LATM) design, has now commenced. This is a WCC issue.

  2. The location of the Keeping Place for aboriginal relics has not been settled.

  3. Anglicare held discussions with 4 local parishes. Their preference was for Anglicare to build low cost housing on this site.

It was mentioned that NSWDOP will exhibit its summation of the proposal on its website next Wednesday, 14th of November. The exhibition period will close on the 12th of December.

It was mentioned that WCC has failed to deliver on the traffic improvements to Point Street, as paid for by Stocklands over 12 years ago, and the Northern Illawarra Residents Action Group (NIRAG) is pursuing this matter.

It was agreed that the opening of the road through to Point Street needs to be the first step in the process as approved by the NSWDOP.

The decision as to whether low cost housing will be built is not part of this initial concept plan approval process. That will come after consideration by Anglicare as part of the later process with WCC. Luke Borg from Anglicare made it clear Anglicare retain the right to proceed with either the 2006 proposal or the 2018 proposal. As such, Anglicare has not made public, if or how it will sell the 55 dual occupancy sites. Some attendees were concerned that the Anglicare representative could not be specific about what would be build.

The meeting expressed concerns about the extra volume of active through traffic from the new residences. A Traffic Engineer in attendance estimated that this will equate to an extra 30 cars an hour entering and exiting the site, which is not that significant.

Concerns about this being an over development with three components - aged care, nursing home and 55 town houses was raised. The meeting expressed concerns about the compact nature of the 55 townhouses where, for example, that there may be insufficient room for a rotary clothesline.

This development could result in 600 residents being packed into an area that, in years past, would only have 300 residents.

Concerns were raised about the road infrastructure not being adequate for this new configuration and additional population, especially when a bridge across Cookson Creek, included in the 2006 plans, is no longer included. (This bridge primarily allowed for internal connection of streets within the retirement home itself). The attendees appeared to agree that Wilkies Road is too narrow for the increased number of vehicles, and parked cars, and the current road infrastructure will not be adequate.

The Secretary stated that changes in development planning legislation implemented in August this year now allows for building variations that could be considered detrimental by the community. For example, there are applications for buildings of higher density, including extra floors, that could not have been built in previous years.

There has been a change in process. The WCC still considers all Development Applications (DAs), but if there is any contention, then the final decision rests with the Wollongong Local Planning Panel (WLPP) which now replaces WCC as the final Consent Authority.

Murray tabled a newspaper clipping supplied by Martin Gorrick, regarding the low rate of success for community based objections to Development Applications in the Sutherland area, with only 8 out of the 72 being refused.

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The Secretary reported on TVC members’ action on the following DAs:


This involved replacing the existing building with two storey apartments. The variation was two storey at the rear of the block, instead of one storey, as currently specified in the development control plan.

This DA disappeared early from the WCC website. Subsequent investigations revealed that the proponent was now only required to put the DA on exhibition for a two week period, not four weeks, as previously required. Thus we lost the ability to object to this DA.


This development involved knocking down an old house, subdividing and replacing with four three-bedroom town houses. The objection was based on the crammed result being out of character with the area, and the Developer trying to use the narrow, steep unlit Gumtree Lane as the primary method of access.

In the process of making a submission on this site, the Secretary found that, if a DA is put on exhibition for a second or third round, the submissions from the first or second round are dismissed. Thus, unless you are an immediate neighbour, you will not be notified, and your submission will be lost. This process may apparently be used by a developer to reduce the number of objections.

It was agreed that a protest should be put into Council on this issue.


Annette Jones reported on progress on this development. This involved building 5 semi- detached houses on the one block. We decided to take a different approach and Annette delivered a note to all neighbours, inviting them to a meeting. After discussions with Annette, one neigbour took it upon himself to do a further mail drop. At the subsequent meeting at a local coffee shop, ten attendees agreed to post objections with the WCC. It was agreed that this process gained maximum results from TVC effort and should be used with future developments.

Parking in the proximity of Kelton Lane was considered a significant problem with this location.

The Secretary reported on the process to date where WCC called a public meeting to collect input and suggestions on traffic issues in the Northern Suburbs. The Council then spent over six months preparing a report which summarised these suggestions. The report closed with the recommendation to wait until the completion of the RMS Thirroul to Unanderra Network Strategy. This was to provide solutions to the bottlenecks in Thirroul and Bulli.

This report was scrapped in early November, 2018 in favour of a new Illawarra-Shoalhaven Future Transport Plan. The date of commencement of this plan was not yet specified.

The Meeting agreed that the Secretary should write to the Minister for Transport to seek an interim report on work done to date, and implementation of improvements, that should be obvious after the twelve months spent on this issue to date.

Next meeting will be at 4pm on February 17th, 2019. Meeting closed 5.15pm



Ross opened the discussion with the fact that the traffic control improvements to Point Street, including footpaths and traffic calming devices, promised and paid for by Stockland have not, as yet, been delivered by WCC, but local area traffic management plan (LATM)
design has now commenced. It is important that this work is complete and traffic calming installed before the opening of the bridge and link road to Thirroul. Luke commented that this was a WCC issue.

The issue of the Keeping Place for Aboriginal relics found during previous developments in the area, including a preponderance found on the N.E. corner of the Anglicare site, along with the Turpentine Forest site was discussed. Ross mentioned that little progress had been made despite the issue being open for over 15 years, and that NIRAG sees this as an opportunity to dedicate a part of the site for the Keeping Place. Murray suggested that the Keeping Place could be built in or near the Turpentine Forest, thus providing a natural cathedral effect. Luke mentioned that this would need to be determined in consultation with local Aboriginal groups.

We discussed Anglicare's intentions to possibly build and sell 55 town houses. Luke mentioned that all their options are still open but at this stage, they do not intend to sell the land only. Luke stated that after consultation with four local Anglican Church groups, consensus was reached on the idea of building lower cost housing that could be bought by those who are being priced out of the area. Ross mentioned the opportunity of possibly using UOW to make this a center for sustainability excellence. Luke mentioned communications issues with key stakeholders at the UOW. (possible contact is Paul Cooper, Director Sustainable Buildings Research Centre, SBRC)

I mentioned that this would result in the largest group of townhouses in the Thirroul Bull area and there is already two active petitions opposing such a development. There is also considerable associated issues in extra traffic in Wilkie Street, though this could be addressed by widening. A plan is needed to install traffic flow devices to restrict though traffic in the narrow side streets north of Wilkie Street.

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